Addendum to the fandom category policy:

[meri_oddities]

I'm posting this here before adding this to the policy.

There are some smaller decisions the wiki committee has made:

1. Sorting the Fandom Categories - We will sort by the default letter sort. Except where the category is a non-fandom category: Books & Literature, Movies, Real People, etc…



2. We will create a zine (or fanworks, or communities) sub-category if there are more then 15 pages in the fandom category.



3. RPF categories. We are going to go with Real People as the main category and then Actor RPF, Music RPF, Historical FPR, and then by fandom (person) categories.



4. If there is a list of zines that is a subpage of the main category, it will become a top-level page under the category and if there are more than 15 zines on that page, a subcategory will be created.

Some examples:

• Harry Potter/List of Challenges becomes List of Harry Potter Challenges and is put into the Harry Potter Category.
  
  Since it has more than 15 challenges listed on the page, the separate challenge pages will only appear in the Harry Potter Challenges Category and not in the main category.



• For Star Trek, a main category will be created and then subsequent subcategories with Star Trek TOS, Star Trek TNG, Star Trek AOS, etc.


For each of the Star Trek subcategories, there will be subcategories such as zines, challenges, communities, etc.


• The same rules apply, if there are more than 15 pages for any subcategory then they should not be listed on the main subcategory (Star Trek TOS). They should be listed on the secondary subcategory (Star Trek TOS fanzines).

If there are more questions about how to do things, ask them in comments, and I'll either answer or take them back to the committee.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

1) What *can* we use subpages for?
2) Where do we ask for new categories to be made? (I should like an X-Men cat please; currently x-men pages are going under Marvel Comics).

MegR

[aethel]

1.list pages like Newsletter/Newsletter Communities

2.We haven't reached X yet; the X-Men cat will be added. I believe you can make a category request by adding a bug to the bug tracking list or by bringing it up in the talk pages. But categories can technically be added by any user (?), so if you feel comfortable adding the X-Men category, we'd love the help!

I started a help page on fandom categories here: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Help:Fandom_Categories

[ratcreature]

So the list of newsletter communities remains a subpage of Newsletter, but the list of Harry Potter Communities becomes toplevel.

[aethel]

Exactly.

I've been updating the subpage help page to reflect the more restricted uses of subpages on the wiki.

gratuitous icon comment, really

[aethel]

I've updated the help page, but it's not finished yet, so I will return later to add more.

I was looking at how Wikipedia handles category structure and categorizing pages, in particular the Star Trek categories. Obviously, we don't need the same set of subcategories, but I thought it might be helpful for looking at categories in action.

Re: gratuitous icon comment, really

[meri_oddities]

You rock! Thanks for doing all those help pages.

[facetofcathy]

This policy now creates exceptions to the Wiki-wide policy of breadcrumbing for some pages within the Fandom by Source Text category. (Breadcrumbing is the policy of manually overriding the nested display of categories and pages by placing all categories back to the top level on every page.) As I understand this post, what it is saying is that only the main fandom page within a fandom category will be breadcrumbed, all others will not be (unless they contain categories from other parts of the tree--Challenges, Newsletters etc.)

I think breadcrumbing should be scrapped altogether. I can't actually find any reasons for doing it on policy pages or help pages. It is referred to as an ideal, but why is never explained. If I've missed some point to it, please enlighten me or point me to where the purpose of it is discussed.

Short of a total removal of breadcrumbing, the exception should be extended up to the Fandom by Source Text category. It should only be applied to fandom pages that do not have a fandom category of their own. As it stands now, the Fandom by Source Text list is very difficult to navigate and I feel it is a barrier to finding fandom information. I'm trying to imagine how I would explain using the page to a new Fanlore user, and I think I'd tell them not to try.

[meri_oddities]

We've discussed this on the committee, and we agree about getting rid of it. Especially for Fandom by Source Text. Our next meeting is tomorrow night, so we'll probably post something here and to the wiki to let everyone know what the final changes will look like.

It should only be applied to fandom pages that do not have a fandom category of their own.

Per the policy, all fandoms will eventually have their own category. We're going to focus on the bigger fandoms first.

[frogspace.livejournal.com]

I love the fandom categories! I LOVE the so much!!! \o/

PS: I'm really sorry for spamming the Recent Changes page for the last 1000 edits or so. Once I started adding the fandom cats to images as well, I just couldn't stop. ^^° My new favorite category is the Supernatural Doujinshi Cat (http://fanlore.org/wiki/Category:Supernatural_Doujinshi). ^__^

[meri_oddities]

Wow. You did an incredible amount of work there! Thanks so much. It looks great to me. I can't wait to go through it all slowly.

It really is addicting, isn't it? I know when I started on Harry Potter, I worked for hours without even realizing how much time had passed.

[frogspace.livejournal.com]

If you want to check out the other pages I finished or worked on this weekend, here they are:

Category:Due_South_Zines
Category:Due_South_Websites
Category:Forever_Knight_Zines
Category:Harry_Potter_Websites
Category:Highlander_Zines (well, the category doesn't exist yet, but I've tagged the pages anyway)
Category:Horatio_Hornblower
Category:Houston_Knights
Category:Magnificent_Seven_Zines
Category:Man_from_U.N.C.L.E._Zines
Category:Multimedia_Zines (WIP)
Category:Star_Trek_DS9_Zines
Category:Star_Trek_TNG_Zines
Category:Star_Trek_VOY_Zines
Category:Supernatural
Category:Supernatural_Doujinshi
Category:Supernatural_Zines

All of the them include media (mostly zine covers) and every time I look at them I want to squee. :D Be glad there are no Sentinel or Stargate SG-1 cats yet or I would have done them too. The only reason why I stopped with Star Trek TOS after adding all the non-fiction zines was we need subcategories for Star Trek TOS Zines (see talk page). *sigh* I'm almost glad that I have a cold and feel sick because otherwise I would have managed to do something more productive with my weekend. *g*