are recognized as Japanese by their English-speaking fandoms (which is relevant as this is for the English-language wiki)
For me, this somehow hits the nail. Over the last weeks I started to dig around in the fanlore wiki and several times I met a "wall" when I wanted to add something or edit content. With "wall" I mean I had to stop, because I couldn't quite identify with what I read or I didn't quite know where to fit in certain content, which categories to use etc. I noticed this especially on the "anime" and "manga" pages when this topic emerged on the talk page (anime and manga outside of Japan).
I understand that fanlore wishes to be inclusive and to accept all corners of fandom. But to me the question is: from what point of view? It cannot be inclusive from a fan's PoV, I think, because everyone experiences fandom differently. But I also was told that yes, it should be from a fan's PoV, as it is them who will bring this wiki to life and diversity is a good thing and wouldn't it be good, if there were several different views of something on one page so people could get an impression of the different "colors" of fandoms? (I have a similar impression about AO3, btw.) But when I, as a fan, edit the page, I do it according to how I experience my fandom. And in my english language fandom Anime is not Avatar/Airbender, but soley stuff that comes from Japan. But there are enough other fans who see it differently. =) And when it comes to the part of actually categorizing the content - that is one tough nut to crack.
I don't know, how to solve this. Perhaps it's something that isn't even seen as problem other than by me: ;) I just can speak from my - so far short - experience with fanlore as someone who played around with a wiki for the first time and as someone from animanga and game fandom: I am still confused about categories (somehow I miss a clear overview or structure, like a "categories" page that shows me exactly what where is) and that adds to my confusion about how to properly sort things (the sitemap shows me some structure, but I can't quite... grasp it for my personal use, I guess ^^;). Before Frogspace told me about the Fandom by Source Category, I was rather confused about how to tag pictures I uploaded, for example.
As for the naming/sorting suggestions - I would go with the second. As I understand it, Animation and Comics would be the "roof categories" with Manwha, Manga, Anime, Cartoon etc. the various branches? I don't think there will be a perfect solution that makes everyone happy, but I also think that's not what should be the goal. The goal should be to offer a frame in which fans can operate adequately to tell their stories, a frame that is not too complex (or it becomes a barrier for newbies), easy to navigate and understood by most people. Animanga will be a challenge because of its "blob-ness", because it merges with other aspects and media, too, like video games or live acts. (And also because of the OTW's history with that part of fandom. But that's for another discussion.)
I'm just not sure, if fanlore can be or should be a place to discuss terminology with the goal to find a single, all including punch line. Hm.
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For me, this somehow hits the nail. Over the last weeks I started to dig around in the fanlore wiki and several times I met a "wall" when I wanted to add something or edit content. With "wall" I mean I had to stop, because I couldn't quite identify with what I read or I didn't quite know where to fit in certain content, which categories to use etc. I noticed this especially on the "anime" and "manga" pages when this topic emerged on the talk page (anime and manga outside of Japan).
I understand that fanlore wishes to be inclusive and to accept all corners of fandom. But to me the question is: from what point of view? It cannot be inclusive from a fan's PoV, I think, because everyone experiences fandom differently. But I also was told that yes, it should be from a fan's PoV, as it is them who will bring this wiki to life and diversity is a good thing and wouldn't it be good, if there were several different views of something on one page so people could get an impression of the different "colors" of fandoms? (I have a similar impression about AO3, btw.) But when I, as a fan, edit the page, I do it according to how I experience my fandom. And in my english language fandom Anime is not Avatar/Airbender, but soley stuff that comes from Japan. But there are enough other fans who see it differently. =) And when it comes to the part of actually categorizing the content - that is one tough nut to crack.
I don't know, how to solve this. Perhaps it's something that isn't even seen as problem other than by me: ;) I just can speak from my - so far short - experience with fanlore as someone who played around with a wiki for the first time and as someone from animanga and game fandom: I am still confused about categories (somehow I miss a clear overview or structure, like a "categories" page that shows me exactly what where is) and that adds to my confusion about how to properly sort things (the sitemap shows me some structure, but I can't quite... grasp it for my personal use, I guess ^^;). Before Frogspace told me about the Fandom by Source Category, I was rather confused about how to tag pictures I uploaded, for example.
As for the naming/sorting suggestions - I would go with the second. As I understand it, Animation and Comics would be the "roof categories" with Manwha, Manga, Anime, Cartoon etc. the various branches? I don't think there will be a perfect solution that makes everyone happy, but I also think that's not what should be the goal. The goal should be to offer a frame in which fans can operate adequately to tell their stories, a frame that is not too complex (or it becomes a barrier for newbies), easy to navigate and understood by most people. Animanga will be a challenge because of its "blob-ness", because it merges with other aspects and media, too, like video games or live acts. (And also because of the OTW's history with that part of fandom. But that's for another discussion.)
I'm just not sure, if fanlore can be or should be a place to discuss terminology with the goal to find a single, all including punch line. Hm.