Categories/templates in Animanga and Translation?

[briar_pipe]

*tiptoes in*

Hi folks! I've been tackling one small boulder in the mountain of fansub information not yet on the wiki, and I have a few questions about categories and templates.

• There is a template for fansubbers/scanlators, labelled WIP. It currently has no subcategory attached. Can we give it one? And if so, is there a neutral term we could use, like "Fan Translators"? That way, we won't need a new template every time a new medium/genre/source country/language is added to the wiki.
  
  
• Should Anime Club pages use the Fan Club Template? Does anyone see anything present in/missing from that template that would make it not work with those?
  
  
• It'd be great to have a category for all the scanlation/fansub-related material besides groups (process, history, websites, terms, fan-created technology, etc.). There are at least 14 pages that fit this criteria, with many more waiting to be created.
  
  • It might make sense to have a top-level "Fan Translation" category under "Fan Activities" that could be medium-, language-, and community-neutral.
    
  • A "Fan Translators" subcat could be put here.
  
  
• Per a discussion on the Anime talk page, I asked on the Anime & Manga Fandom talk page why there were several anime series listed as subcategories on that page but no subcategories for non-series pages. Sparc and I discussed, and I moved the fandoms over to the Anime and/or Manga categories (depending on canon). Only then did we see the note at the bottom of the Anime & Manga Fandom page about moving series subcats to there. No one else has commented to help us understand the situation, so Sparc suggested I bring it here. My concerns:
  
  • There are thousands of animanga fandoms. Currently, 97 anime have their own pages and 33 have subcats, while manga are at 86/28, with overlap. I predict that as AO3 becomes more popular with anime & manga fans moving from ffnet, more will discover Fanlore, and those numbers will shoot up.
    
  • If we do want those fandom subcats on the Anime & Manga Fandom page, I suggest they be put in a subcategory of their own to keep them from burying the material that has no other animanga home, like websites, glossary terms, conventions, etc.
    
  • The Anime & Manga Fandom page should probably include links to the categories Doujin Fandom, Anime Music Video Fandom, Anime, and Manga. They don't have to be subcats - links at the top would be fine, I think?
    
  • There should probably be additional subcategories created. If anyone wants to come sift through the links and offer opinions, that'd be awesome.

An unrelated question: I'm trying to make an internal link to /a/, in case anyone gets brave enough to tackle 4chan-related info. However, I can't get the wiki to show the //. Any wiki gurus out there know the trick?

Thanks, guys!

Comments

[briar_pipe]

Fan Translation Groups: Works for me! That was my other thought if the individual one didn't work.

Activity: Yes, Translating or Translation would be fine with me, whatever fits the system.

A & M Fandom: Oooh, charts! <3 I think if we do follow the original standard, an extra layer of subcats would need to be created to keep the page useable. I'm good either way, so long as the page isn't so overwhelmed no one can find anything. But we do definitely need links to those four related "overview"/"canon type" fandoms at the top somewhere.

Whee, ideas! Thank you!

[aethel]

I created the Translation category.

So far we've tried to avoid creating categories whose sole purpose is to organize categories.

Related discussions I dug up:
http://fanlore.dreamwidth.org/44134.html?thread=440678#cmt440678
http://fanlore.org/wiki/Category_talk:Books_%26_Literature

Writing in "See also category xyz" is pretty easy. I can look at that later if someone else doesn't want to do it.

[briar_pipe]

Thank you! I moved over the pages I found, though there may be more. I left a note on Yue's userpage to check in about the changes. I'll poke her on chat if she doesn't reply eventually. ^_^

It took me a while to get through the second discussion you linked, but I think I'm beginning to see the issue. We want pages to be easily findable, but the line between overinclusion and underinclusion is very fine. Overinclude, and every high level page is awash in subcategories such that users can't see the trees for the forest. Underinclude, and users become frustrated or think that certain subcats simply don't exist.

Anyway, I think cross-linking between high-level cat pages will solve some of that problem, and Anime and Manga - as canon type categories - are expected to be chock full of anime and manga series anyway, whether as subcats or simply as pages. I assume something similar has been worked out for Media fandom, or the same situation would have appeared.

Thank you for the links, and for being so flexible on this discussion! It's quite a complicated one.

[aethel]

ahaha, if by flexible you mean the worst waffler in the history of breakfast foods. I find myself agreeing with everyone. But, seriously, the Anime & Manga category page looks nicer now. And if people tend to expect the categories to go under the media type, then it's easier just to let them instead of reverting changes all the time.